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- Quickly Learning Straddle Planche after TWO YEARS of NO Progress
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| Posted: 22 Jul 2020 08:35 PM PDT UPDATE: Tricia and Chris plan to post their AMA at around 11AM PST. Also check out their neat verification picture in Tricia's post here. Hey everyone! We're happy to announce an upcoming AMA with Tricia Woo and Chris McGreevy on Friday, July 31st. They are both currently in Germany so expect the post to go up on their time. We will have the thread stickied as soon as it goes up and the two will be answering questions throughout the day. For more about the two, read below: Tricia Woo A Nutrition Science major, Tricia did what we all joke about - she ran away to the circus. As seen in 16x9's "Getting into Cirque", she finds her way from college gymnast to Cirque du Soleil performer. Despite her success as a performer, a ligament laxity contributed to serious injuries throughout her career. Multiple dislocations resulted in a double shoulder surgery in 2014 followed by a third surgery in 2018. Tricia understands the mental and physical difficulties of recovering from injury. Although her shoulder may never fully recover, she continues to see the benefit of an active lifestyle and refuses to be limited by her physical restrictions. Chris McGreevy Chris is an acrobat, circus performer and artist. He represented Great Britain's Sports Acrobatics team as a competitive athlete across multiple disciplines before transitioning into a career on stage. Performing as a part of Cirque Du Soleil's 'Paramour' and Franco Dragone's 'The House of Dancing Water,' Chris is a specialist in hand to hand, aerial straps and has coached various other circus disciplines. During his time at 'The House of Dancing Water,' Chris also assumed a role as part of the artistic management team. Due to this unique position, he can provide an insight into on stage, training and behind the scenes workings of a large scale theatrical production. For more info, check out their social media and some of their videos below!
As with every AMA, we kindly ask that you treat our guests with respect and make them feel welcome to our community. Should this AMA schedule conflict with yours, you are more than welcome to post your questions here and I can get them submitted as your proxy on the day of the AMA for Tricia and Chris to answer. Thanks! [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| The relation between height/weight and FL progression/max hold RESULTS Posted: 29 Jul 2020 01:31 AM PDT IntroductionHi r/bodyweightfitness, 3 months ago I posted this as I wanted to find mathematical relationships between height/weight and FRONT LEVER (FL) proficiency. I also attached this survey where I collected height (cm), weight (kg), current FL progression, and maximum hold time of that progression (s). My goal was to get 100 replies and then I would look closely at the data in different ways to uncover possible correlations. I have completed this and I am very excited to share my results with everyone. I'll be honest, some results were not quite what I expected but I believe this data can be very valuable nevertheless. I am also hopeful further research conducted by us could be posted often here, maybe by creating some sections for push/pull skills doing something similar to this. I believe this could give us great information to add to skill programming and apprehension. Special MentionsA big thank you to all 97 participants in the survey, unfortunately, I had started to analyze the data at 94 submissions. It had been at 94 submissions for a while so I decided to start the whole process, I then checked back a couple of weeks later and saw 3 additional submissions. I was in advanced calculations and could not use them as it would mean restarting everything. Thanks to everyone in the survey again! Initial Data SetsThese data sets were created by me to organize all the data into sections. All values are also rounded to the nearest whole number. Table 1: Height to nearest cm
Mean height ≈ 178 cm Table 2: Weight to nearest kg
Mean weight ≈ 73 kg Table 3: Table 3: Front lever progression *Since the FL progressions are not numerical, they would not work in the calculations so I assigned numerical values from 1-9 based on the level of difficulty. It is not related in any way to scoring or competition values, just simple numbers that would make the calculations simpler.
Mean FL progression ≈ 6, Straddle FL Table 4:: Maximum hold time to nearest second
Mean maximum hold time ≈ 10 s Linear Regression GraphsI used these to analyze the correlation strength between height/weight and FL progression/maximum hold time. Red points are my stats to see how I fit in all the data, I only used it for personal interest. Graph 1: Height vs Maximum hold time Graph 1 It's hard to see any correlation here without the use of Excel's trend line function, there is a weak negative correlation between these two variables. This means that as height increases, maximum hold time decreases very gradually to a point where there is almost no correlation. The r-value of -0.14 also shows this and gives a numerical value to the weakness of the correlation. If you participated in the survey, or just for curiosity I encourage you to plug your height in cm in place of x. I wouldn't be expecting the results to be accurate though. You'll find that if your height and maximum hold time lie on the black regression line, then the equation will be reliable, but even then in the big picture its not reliable for everyone. Graph 2: Height vs FL Progression Graph 2 A weak negative correlation between height and current FL progression, although the correlation is stronger than Graph 1. This is where things get interesting though, although the correlation is negative it does appear that in my sample size of 94 people, height is not very important in reaching advanced FL progressions. The r-value here was 0.29, stronger than Graph 1 but still very small to resemble any real correlation, variables are almost independent of each other. Perhaps here with a larger sample size, a stronger correlation could be found, whether positive or negative. Graph 3: Weight vs Maximum hold time Graph 3 The weakest correlation out of all my 4 graphs, here weight appears to play an almost nonexistent role in maximum hold time of any progression. The correlation is weak positive, meaning that as weight increases, so does maximum hold time. I found this to be interesting for 2 reasons. Firstly, I thought an increase in muscle mass could be the relation we are looking, after all, stronger/bigger muscles if trained for FL could increase the maximum hold time. The other part I thought about was how could this be, lower weight = longer hold time? Could be and it could also not be, you also have to take into account we are looking at 94 results, it is harder to generalize results especially with such a low sample size but nonetheless something interesting to think about. Graph 4: Weight vs FL Progression Graph 4 Here I found generally what I expected, although it is a weak correlation, the graph does show that as weight increases, FL progression decreases. The r-value was -0.21, not as strong as Graph 2 but take into account we are dealing with R-values that vary by 0.23 at both ends of the spectrum. Not many correlations either way in all graphs, but it can still provide some insight into what the correlations could be with larger sample sizes because at small sample sizes as is the case with all 4 graphs, not much is going on that can provide us with any more useful information. Chi-square test for independencePretty standard test carried out to see whether two variables are statistically significant or not, I will be using a significance level of 0.05, meaning that in my answers I am 95% confident of the results given the set data.
Test 1: Height vs ability to hold a full FL
Using the chi-square formula, x^2 = Σ(O-E)^2/E, where O is observed and E is expected
I fail to reject the null hypothesis that variables are independent Since P-value is not less than or equal to 0.05, I can say with 95% confidence that height is not statistically significant in an individual's ability to be able to hold a full front lever Test 2: Height vs Maximum hold time of any FL progression
Using the chi-square formula, x^2 = Σ(O-E)^2/E, where O is observed and E is expected
I fail to reject the null hypothesis that variables are independent Since P-value is not less than or equal to 0.05, I can say with 95% confidence that height is not statistically significant in an individual's ability to hold any FL progression for a maximum hold time of 10 seconds or above Test 3: Weight vs ability to hold a full FL
Using the chi-square formula, x^2 = Σ(O-E)^2/E, where O is observed and E is expected
I fail to reject the null hypothesis that variables are independent Since P-value is not less than or equal to 0.05, I can say with 95% confidence that height is not statistically significant in an individual's ability to be able to hold a full front lever Test 4: Weight vs Maximum hold time of any FL progression
Using the chi-square formula, x^2 = Σ(O-E)^2/E, where O is observed and E is expected
I reject the null hypothesis that variables are independent and I accept the alternate hypothesis that the variables are dependent Since P-value is less than or equal to 0.05, I can say with 95% confidence that weight is statistically significant in an individual's ability to hold any FL progression for a maximum hold time of 10 seconds or above Strengths
Limitations
ConclusionsWhat can we take from this study? Ultimately view the results skeptically. Look at the limitations and then look at the strengths, to be honest, this whole study is an educated guess based solely on variables that we associate skill apprehension the most. There are a lot more factors in getting the FL than height/weight, although arguably they could be the most important. However, one thing I found to be very promising is Test 4, notice how in a small sample size it gives a statistically significant answer? That is very significant, possibly the most significant aspect of this study. If a small sample size gives a very significant answer, imagine a larger sample size. As for individuals reading this on their FL journey, don't let this discourage you. The FL is a great journey and anyone regardless of their body stats can make efforts in order to get closer and closer to the full FL. Just know it will take time to master this skill, as with any other skills in calisthenics. Ideas for future studiesI think we can start something very valuable on this sub. I believe this study can inspire others to do something similar with other skills so we can compare them all when all the data has been analyzed. Perhaps a future study could look at limb length ratios and FL, maybe also looking at previous years of athleticism, different approaches to FL (dynamics, statics, weighted pullups), doing all these ideas on different lever skills, etc. Final ThoughtsI thought this survey was very exciting to do and to analyze. I was in a sense analyzing myself in an objective manner. I would also like to thank all the participants in my survey once again. As for the value of the results, I'll let you be the judge, take what you will! I know I have discovered lots of interesting things both in strengths and limitations. What you shouldn't do, however, is let these results influence your training in any way. Everyone can make amazing progress with hard work and consistency. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Quickly Learning Straddle Planche after TWO YEARS of NO Progress Posted: 29 Jul 2020 10:37 AM PDT I tried bands, tuck/adv tuck/etc., and weights, but only a certain method based on high frequency, high intensity, and low volume allowed me to finally make planche progress after 2 years of none. I also included a really helpful drill for getting the needed wrist mobility; I also had been stretching my wrists for months with no progress, but this method helped me get the mobility I needed in days. Basically, the "typical" tutorials for planche progression and wrist mobility are just useless in my experience, and I wanted to put what I learned and what really helped me into a video for you guys. Learn Planche FAST: The BEST Method I don't understand how "planche tutorials" in which the guy just says (do tuck, then advanced tuck, then straddle, then full" get so many views. Do these videos help literally anyone? I sincerely hope no one wastes two years making no progress towards planche as I did. Please, leave any questions in the comments since I want everyone else to save time and train it the best way possible. Note: This was incorrectly removed when I first posted it; it really is not promotion, I just made the channel yesterday and this video I made for this subreddit is the only content on it. This is solely for helping out the community! I hope it isn't removed again since this can help a lot of people in their planche journeys. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| How many people can do the elite skills Posted: 29 Jul 2020 08:38 AM PDT Im curious on how many people can perform a planche,iron cross,maltese,manna and the Victorian ive heard close to 100k can hold a planche on the floor and less then 300 people can do a Victorian on rings [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted: 28 Jul 2020 01:58 PM PDT Do you like calisthenics? Do you like memes? Ive created a calisthenics memes sub to post the most relatable memes for us calisthenics athletes. Its especially important because pictures cant be posted in this sub so another one just had to be created (Also looking for mods) [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| do you find that bwf is enough to create functional lifting strength? Posted: 29 Jul 2020 12:06 PM PDT i add in the occasional dumbell, kettle work as well. I feel the need to add/ train specific exercises that I might need in life with weights. do you? or is bwf sufficient? for example i just got a 130lb giant box delivered to my doorstep. im the only person in the house who can move such a thing. and i did and it was easy! sure my chinups and rows were helpful, but i feel that my work with weights greatly added to my confidence moving such awkward things. am i wrong? another example: walking 10 blocks with several grocery bags. there are more efficient ways to do that (with a cart haha) but i found myself doing it anyway recently. my "farmers walk " exercise with heavy dumbbells meant my body was ready for that movement [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| How many elements should you train at once Posted: 29 Jul 2020 11:54 AM PDT If youre training for advanced moves should you only train 2 or 3 at a time like planche iron cross Victorian or only 1 ? [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| BWF Daily Discussion and Beginner/RR Questions Thread for 2020-07-29 Posted: 28 Jul 2020 11:06 PM PDT Welcome to the /r/bodyweightfitness daily discussion thread!
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| How do you deal with muscle soreness? Posted: 27 Jul 2020 04:53 AM PDT Whenever I workout with a moderate amount of intensity, my muscles feel sore afterwards. Sometimes the pain is so bad that I can't workout for two whole days, just because of all the pain that comes with it. How do you deal with this? Do you just ignore it to the point where it stops being a thing? Or do you need to have some sort of recovery session after every workout? Any input is appreciated. TIA. [link] [comments] |
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